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		<title>By: Remembering 24: The Season Should Be Here Now &#124; Jason Unger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Remembering 24: The Season Should Be Here Now &#124; Jason Unger</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: stef</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 07:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone seen the South Park take on 24?

Cartman as Jack, Kyle as Chloe working at CTU (His bedroom with a PC), with 15 different government agencies coming in to take over Kyle&#039;s bedroom ever 30 seconds. They only have 24 minutes to stop the evil Muslims/British from destroying South Park.

Quite frankly, I&#039;d expect to see this plot in 24 Day 7.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone seen the South Park take on 24?</p>
<p>Cartman as Jack, Kyle as Chloe working at CTU (His bedroom with a PC), with 15 different government agencies coming in to take over Kyle's bedroom ever 30 seconds. They only have 24 minutes to stop the evil Muslims/British from destroying South Park.</p>
<p>Quite frankly, I'd expect to see this plot in 24 Day 7.</p>
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		<title>By: Marshall Ryan Maresca</title>
		<link>http://www.jammersblog.com/2007/05/23/tv/24-season-6/comment-page-1/#comment-168</link>
		<dc:creator>Marshall Ryan Maresca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the things I find most fascinating about 24 is how the structure of the series needs to also conform with the structure of a regular TV series.    So therefore you have things moving at a pace that is, frankly, ludicrous.  For example, when Bill Buchanan gets fired, because someone has to take the fall for the political fallout of whatever... it&#039;s three in the morning.  And it&#039;s based on information that has only been told to Justice Department less than an hour before.  It&#039;s quite humorous that someone would be there, in the middle of the night, saying, &quot;Well, someone needs to resign over this RIGHT NOW.&quot;  Let alone the expectations that Morris should be getting over his issues with being tortured in a couple hours.

I enjoy the show, but you certainly have to shut off the brain and not think about the pace in which things proceed during the &quot;day&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things I find most fascinating about 24 is how the structure of the series needs to also conform with the structure of a regular TV series.    So therefore you have things moving at a pace that is, frankly, ludicrous.  For example, when Bill Buchanan gets fired, because someone has to take the fall for the political fallout of whatever... it's three in the morning.  And it's based on information that has only been told to Justice Department less than an hour before.  It's quite humorous that someone would be there, in the middle of the night, saying, &quot;Well, someone needs to resign over this RIGHT NOW.&quot;  Let alone the expectations that Morris should be getting over his issues with being tortured in a couple hours.</p>
<p>I enjoy the show, but you certainly have to shut off the brain and not think about the pace in which things proceed during the &quot;day&quot;.</p>
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		<title>By: John R</title>
		<link>http://www.jammersblog.com/2007/05/23/tv/24-season-6/comment-page-1/#comment-167</link>
		<dc:creator>John R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 16:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn&#039;t agree more on the review. I&#039;ve come away feeling quite cheated. The last 3 seasons of &#039;24&#039; have shown there is a limit to &#039;jumping the shark&#039;.

I remember watching the 1st season on DVD. There was a huge emotional investment in the characters, and it paid off right to the end. It was tense - the stakes were high yet there was no huge terrorist threat to the country. The &quot;it isn&#039;t what you think it is&quot; cliché wasn&#039;t so obviouis is the 1st season. However, it&#039;s a mechanism that the writers used again...

and again...

and again...

Let&#039;s see, &quot;Hey look, CTU has ANOTHER mole. Well, fancy that! Oh, hang on - everyone&#039;s convinced she&#039;s a mole - ah, she can&#039;t be then.&quot; It has become woefully predictable.

And once again the premise of this was based on the arrogance of &quot;We can&#039;t be wrong.&quot; It&#039;s amazing that CTU get anything right. It made be think of the tape recorder subplot of season 2. Apparently the characters still believe that CTU is inpenetrable, even though it&#039;s constantly compromised.

The other problem is that I couldn&#039;t give a damn anyway. So what if Chloe and Morris argue and can&#039;t get their job done? So what if Jack has to go against his father? So what if I fall asleep watching it?

And as for discontinuity - my God! Some examples:

1) Jack&#039;s seriously wounded half way through the season. He&#039;s struggling to get about for TWO episodes, and suddenly he&#039;s running around like a loon with no explanation as to how this miraculous recovery took place.

2) Division visit CTU to tell Nadia that she&#039;s useless. She let&#039;s them use a room to investigate and you don&#039;t even hear a peep after that.

So, as the season slowly wound itself down (or simply wounded itself)like a slow-motion car crash, I couldn&#039;t help but feel that I&#039;d been spoon-fed a hits version of &#039;24&#039;. What started off as a good premise for a season, with the elements of US xenophobia, suicide terrorist attacks on home-soil, making peace with an enemy etc. then had to be escalated and watered down into a half-baked half-season of &#039;chase the nuke&#039;. And even the climax of THAT plot-like was lackluster. I had to rewind and re-watch to make sure that I didn&#039;t miss it!

There was just so much wrong with this season, it would probably take me another day to write it down.

If there&#039;s going to be any improvement, the writers should seriously consider getting back to the original format, and throw all preconceptions out of the window. They&#039;ve wrapped the season up with the possibility of starting the next season with a completely new cast (including replacing Jack Bauer - although I can&#039;t see them taking that risk). How about a cop who gets drawn into a day that is well over his head - and be enough of an everyday person to consider and dwell on the moral ramifications of his actions?

Whatever they decide, I&#039;ll take some convincing to spend a whole day of my life to watch the next season. Such a shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn't agree more on the review. I've come away feeling quite cheated. The last 3 seasons of '24' have shown there is a limit to 'jumping the shark'.</p>
<p>I remember watching the 1st season on DVD. There was a huge emotional investment in the characters, and it paid off right to the end. It was tense - the stakes were high yet there was no huge terrorist threat to the country. The &quot;it isn't what you think it is&quot; cliché wasn't so obviouis is the 1st season. However, it's a mechanism that the writers used again...</p>
<p>and again...</p>
<p>and again...</p>
<p>Let's see, &quot;Hey look, CTU has ANOTHER mole. Well, fancy that! Oh, hang on - everyone's convinced she's a mole - ah, she can't be then.&quot; It has become woefully predictable.</p>
<p>And once again the premise of this was based on the arrogance of &quot;We can't be wrong.&quot; It's amazing that CTU get anything right. It made be think of the tape recorder subplot of season 2. Apparently the characters still believe that CTU is inpenetrable, even though it's constantly compromised.</p>
<p>The other problem is that I couldn't give a damn anyway. So what if Chloe and Morris argue and can't get their job done? So what if Jack has to go against his father? So what if I fall asleep watching it?</p>
<p>And as for discontinuity - my God! Some examples:</p>
<p>1) Jack's seriously wounded half way through the season. He's struggling to get about for TWO episodes, and suddenly he's running around like a loon with no explanation as to how this miraculous recovery took place.</p>
<p>2) Division visit CTU to tell Nadia that she's useless. She let's them use a room to investigate and you don't even hear a peep after that.</p>
<p>So, as the season slowly wound itself down (or simply wounded itself)like a slow-motion car crash, I couldn't help but feel that I'd been spoon-fed a hits version of '24'. What started off as a good premise for a season, with the elements of US xenophobia, suicide terrorist attacks on home-soil, making peace with an enemy etc. then had to be escalated and watered down into a half-baked half-season of 'chase the nuke'. And even the climax of THAT plot-like was lackluster. I had to rewind and re-watch to make sure that I didn't miss it!</p>
<p>There was just so much wrong with this season, it would probably take me another day to write it down.</p>
<p>If there's going to be any improvement, the writers should seriously consider getting back to the original format, and throw all preconceptions out of the window. They've wrapped the season up with the possibility of starting the next season with a completely new cast (including replacing Jack Bauer - although I can't see them taking that risk). How about a cop who gets drawn into a day that is well over his head - and be enough of an everyday person to consider and dwell on the moral ramifications of his actions?</p>
<p>Whatever they decide, I'll take some convincing to spend a whole day of my life to watch the next season. Such a shame.</p>
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		<title>By: JavaheadJake</title>
		<link>http://www.jammersblog.com/2007/05/23/tv/24-season-6/comment-page-1/#comment-166</link>
		<dc:creator>JavaheadJake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 15:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YEAH, Yeah, yeeh....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YEAH, Yeah, yeeh....</p>
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		<title>By: Jamahl Epsicokhan</title>
		<link>http://www.jammersblog.com/2007/05/23/tv/24-season-6/comment-page-1/#comment-165</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamahl Epsicokhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 14:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I&#039;ve seen it all. A rebuttal to my review done in verse.

Kudos. Very creative.

(But the father of Chloe&#039;s baby can&#039;t be Edgar or Jack. Day 6 takes place nearly two years after Day 5.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I've seen it all. A rebuttal to my review done in verse.</p>
<p>Kudos. Very creative.</p>
<p>(But the father of Chloe's baby can't be Edgar or Jack. Day 6 takes place nearly two years after Day 5.)</p>
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		<title>By: JavaheadJake</title>
		<link>http://www.jammersblog.com/2007/05/23/tv/24-season-6/comment-page-1/#comment-164</link>
		<dc:creator>JavaheadJake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 05:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jammer, Jammer, Jammer…
You missed the point again.
Wayne Palmer was on a drug trip
So his collapse was not that thin.

He was blowed up real good
Internal injuries it appears
His head wasn’t made of wood
And there are no Dr. Bashirs

Daniels the ambitious VP
Like most backups wanted more
But he found that a real catastrophe
Might force him into war

Commanders in Chief at wartime
All change when duty is due
So to seem him finally climb
To the office is a story so true

The real villain it appears was Pop Bauer
Killed his son early that day
And disappear he did for some hours
Reappearing at the end (No cliché!)

After all villains have done this for ages
For that’s the way the story goes
The writers must produce more pages
On the action of the plot’s heroes

Nadia’s is not a bad tech
Who forgives petty behavior of men
When Doyle showed her honest respect
She returned it in kind to him

As for Milo, well he loved her for sure
But Nadia took the professional stance
She resisted his manly allure
And rejected his office romance

The Russian President was a hostage
Of generals that were hateful war hawks
So he could not mimic an ostrich
When cornered he mouthed some tough talks

And then we have hapless Audrey
Her brain in total disarray
Before you say it’s all phony
Change places with her for one day

Jammer, Jammer, Jammer…
You focused on trivia I fear
You dropped a large heavy hammer
But missed the setup for next year

Who’s the father of Chole’s baby?
Edgar, her husband, or Jack
We’ll find out in hour 23
Next season when 24 is back</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jammer, Jammer, Jammer…<br />
You missed the point again.<br />
Wayne Palmer was on a drug trip<br />
So his collapse was not that thin.</p>
<p>He was blowed up real good<br />
Internal injuries it appears<br />
His head wasn’t made of wood<br />
And there are no Dr. Bashirs</p>
<p>Daniels the ambitious VP<br />
Like most backups wanted more<br />
But he found that a real catastrophe<br />
Might force him into war</p>
<p>Commanders in Chief at wartime<br />
All change when duty is due<br />
So to seem him finally climb<br />
To the office is a story so true</p>
<p>The real villain it appears was Pop Bauer<br />
Killed his son early that day<br />
And disappear he did for some hours<br />
Reappearing at the end (No cliché!)</p>
<p>After all villains have done this for ages<br />
For that’s the way the story goes<br />
The writers must produce more pages<br />
On the action of the plot’s heroes</p>
<p>Nadia’s is not a bad tech<br />
Who forgives petty behavior of men<br />
When Doyle showed her honest respect<br />
She returned it in kind to him</p>
<p>As for Milo, well he loved her for sure<br />
But Nadia took the professional stance<br />
She resisted his manly allure<br />
And rejected his office romance</p>
<p>The Russian President was a hostage<br />
Of generals that were hateful war hawks<br />
So he could not mimic an ostrich<br />
When cornered he mouthed some tough talks</p>
<p>And then we have hapless Audrey<br />
Her brain in total disarray<br />
Before you say it’s all phony<br />
Change places with her for one day</p>
<p>Jammer, Jammer, Jammer…<br />
You focused on trivia I fear<br />
You dropped a large heavy hammer<br />
But missed the setup for next year</p>
<p>Who’s the father of Chole’s baby?<br />
Edgar, her husband, or Jack<br />
We’ll find out in hour 23<br />
Next season when 24 is back</p>
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		<title>By: Stef</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 07:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still can&#039;t believe the whole Curtis &#039;thing&#039; (don&#039;t want to give plot away to those that haven&#039;t seen it). He&#039;s a great character. At least now that Stargate has jumped the shark and finished, he won&#039;t be a guest star as YET ANOTHER old clichéd Jaffa friend of T&#039;ealc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still can't believe the whole Curtis 'thing' (don't want to give plot away to those that haven't seen it). He's a great character. At least now that Stargate has jumped the shark and finished, he won't be a guest star as YET ANOTHER old clichéd Jaffa friend of T'ealc.</p>
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		<title>By: bmoredlj</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmoredlj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 21:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The season was so bad...I didn&#039;t even see it!!!
Although, to be fair, I&#039;ve only seen bits and pieces of three episodes of 24.

&quot;Heroes&quot; is the shizzle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The season was so bad...I didn't even see it!!!<br />
Although, to be fair, I've only seen bits and pieces of three episodes of 24.</p>
<p>&quot;Heroes&quot; is the shizzle.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff W</title>
		<link>http://www.jammersblog.com/2007/05/23/tv/24-season-6/comment-page-1/#comment-161</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 20:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mebby the writers saw the way the ratings were going, as NBC&#039;s &quot;Heroes&quot; continued to steal all of the target demographic audience they had so carefully built up the last few years. They couldn&#039;t change time slots, so they just kinda gave up. I switched to &quot;Heroes&#039; after the first break, and I never went back. Yatta!

P.S. Jammer, your review of &#039;Bound&#039; for &quot;Enterprise&quot; is my hands-down favorite...frakkin hilarious!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mebby the writers saw the way the ratings were going, as NBC's &quot;Heroes&quot; continued to steal all of the target demographic audience they had so carefully built up the last few years. They couldn't change time slots, so they just kinda gave up. I switched to &quot;Heroes' after the first break, and I never went back. Yatta!</p>
<p>P.S. Jammer, your review of 'Bound' for &quot;Enterprise&quot; is my hands-down favorite...frakkin hilarious!</p>
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		<title>By: Eric G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 14:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree on all counts: a disappointing season, void of any real shockers (or at least ones that I cared about).  I know it must be difficult to write this stuff, but this season really did seem to lack originality.  And they lost me when they made Jack&#039;s family the bad guys.

Things I liked:
+ Bill Buchanon jumping back in for the finale -  I&#039;ve come to like Bill&#039;s character a lot, and I hope we see more of him in the future.
+ Doyle&#039;s character during the finale - He was a little over the top when the first brought him in (seemed to follow the typical &quot;24&quot; &quot;introduce a new a-hole character to put shackles on CTU&quot; format), but I like how things ended.  I wouldn&#039;t mind seeing him return next season (maybe to replace Curtis as Jack&#039;s right-hand).

Things I didn&#039;t like:
+ The typical &quot;24&quot; cliche of politicking during a crisis - I still have a hard time believing that people would really be seeking personal glory/advancement when the world is about to end (though this season was toned down compared to others).
+ The whole &quot;go to war with Russia&quot; story arc - Did the Russions ever really have a leg to stand on, considering that they are partially/mostly responsible for the nukes ending up in the US in the first place?  Wasn&#039;t one of their embassy people involved in orchestrating the original terrorist attack?
+ Nadia: Not a powerful character, not a strong leader.  I know this was partially the point, but I found her uninteresting.
+ Jack&#039;s family is evil - A definite Jump the Shark moment for me.  Where can they go from here?

Of course, even with all the flaws, I&#039;ll continue to watch every episode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree on all counts: a disappointing season, void of any real shockers (or at least ones that I cared about).  I know it must be difficult to write this stuff, but this season really did seem to lack originality.  And they lost me when they made Jack's family the bad guys.</p>
<p>Things I liked:<br />
+ Bill Buchanon jumping back in for the finale -  I've come to like Bill's character a lot, and I hope we see more of him in the future.<br />
+ Doyle's character during the finale - He was a little over the top when the first brought him in (seemed to follow the typical &quot;24&quot; &quot;introduce a new a-hole character to put shackles on CTU&quot; format), but I like how things ended.  I wouldn't mind seeing him return next season (maybe to replace Curtis as Jack's right-hand).</p>
<p>Things I didn't like:<br />
+ The typical &quot;24&quot; cliche of politicking during a crisis - I still have a hard time believing that people would really be seeking personal glory/advancement when the world is about to end (though this season was toned down compared to others).<br />
+ The whole &quot;go to war with Russia&quot; story arc - Did the Russions ever really have a leg to stand on, considering that they are partially/mostly responsible for the nukes ending up in the US in the first place?  Wasn't one of their embassy people involved in orchestrating the original terrorist attack?<br />
+ Nadia: Not a powerful character, not a strong leader.  I know this was partially the point, but I found her uninteresting.<br />
+ Jack's family is evil - A definite Jump the Shark moment for me.  Where can they go from here?</p>
<p>Of course, even with all the flaws, I'll continue to watch every episode.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 03:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with both of you. Though it wasn&#039;t the best season, it was certainly not the worst. Actually, I didn&#039;t really see anything wrong with the season except for the Chloe being pregnant thing, which seemed really forced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with both of you. Though it wasn't the best season, it was certainly not the worst. Actually, I didn't really see anything wrong with the season except for the Chloe being pregnant thing, which seemed really forced.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 02:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are too generous on this season Jammer.  It wasn&#039;t just bad, it was horrendus.  I almost gave up on it half way through but didn&#039;t.  I probably should have.  I would have given it one star, or go Spock&#039;s Brain on it and give it a half star.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are too generous on this season Jammer.  It wasn't just bad, it was horrendus.  I almost gave up on it half way through but didn't.  I probably should have.  I would have given it one star, or go Spock's Brain on it and give it a half star.</p>
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